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==Hymn tunes==
==Hymn tunes==
There is a category for hymn tunes [[:Category:Hymn tunes|here]]. Some tunes have their own pages such as [[Old hundredth]]. I favour this organisation but instead of naming the tune page just the tune name, I would have the following format: "Tune_name_(Composer/Source)" for clarity (there is a tune called Welsh, I believe, which could get confusing with other pages). I don't think that there should be any editions on tune pages but I like the Lilypond extract on [[Old hundredth]] and I also think that the "Click for settings at CPDL" link is very useful. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)
There is a category for hymn tunes [[:Category:Hymn tunes|here]]. Some tunes have their own pages such as [[Old hundredth]]. I favour this organisation but instead of naming the tune page just the tune name, I would have the following format: "Tune_name_(Composer/Source)" for clarity (there is a tune called Welsh, I believe, which could get confusing with other pages). I don't think that there should be any editions on tune pages but I like the Lilypond extract on [[Old hundredth]] and I also think that the "Click for settings at CPDL" link is very useful. --[[User:Bobnotts|Bobnotts]] <small>[[User talk:Bobnotts|'''talk''']]</small> 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)
: I concur ... "Tune name (Composer/Source)" is fine.  I don't favor adding the Meter to the page name for Hymn tunes, because the Meter is spelled out '''and categorized" on the page itself.  In cases where there are multiple hymn tunes with the same name, disambiguation is always available.
: -- [[User:CHGiffen|Chuck]][[User talk:CHGiffen|<sub><small>'''talk'''</small></sub>]]&nbsp;[[User:Charles H. Giffen|Giffen]][[Charles H. Giffen|<sub>'''♫'''</sub>]] 11:07, 16 November 2007 (PST)


==Hymn settings==
==Hymn settings==

Revision as of 19:07, 16 November 2007

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Old discussion (2005)

What happened to CPDL forums ?

Good question, every wiki page has it's own forum (we are having one now). I will be placing one up as time permits (there are still several things to work on). Raf Ornes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Admin (talkcontribs) on 13:13, 29 August 2005.

The forums aren't working for me either. :\ --169.229.98.90 19:30, 20 October 2005 (PDT)

Request for score

I am the director of an a capella ensemble. We are desperately looking for Shakesperian Sonnets set in SATB a capella form.

Any help out there??

Jennifer Kreml cheshiresingers@yahoo.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.69.229.84 (talkcontribs) on 22:22, 29 August 2005.

New wiki format

New Wiki format seems to be more reliable. Good job. - Robert A. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.73.141.12 (talkcontribs) on 4 September 2005.

Great Job! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.8.188.178 (talkcontribs) on 18:51, 15 September 2005.

Purchasable music

I think that some of the recently posted pages are not in the spirit of CPDL. Example is Gounod - Ave Maria which is only dispalyed as PDF page 1 and requires purchase to get any further - maybe the site which has downdoaded these does not realise this ! John Broadbent @ johnbroadbent_midhurstmusic@hotmail.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.162.110.43 (talkcontribs) on 15:41, 23 September 2005.

Looking for Duet

Looking for an S-A duet by Mozart, 2 - 4 min. sacred. Can I use ChoralWiki for this? I haven't been able to get a good response using Boolean or other search parameters. Thanks for help. Mary Shaw —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mary Shaw (talkcontribs) on 02:43, 11 October 2005.

Try the search box using 'Mozart 2vv'. There is one SS duet on CPDL. - Raf Ornes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.204.130.36 (talkcontribs) on 05:18, 11 October 2005.

Feedback

Very intresting wiki site!... Thanx! --213.228.84.66 12:28, 15 October 2005 (PDT)

requesting deletion of talk:-

Would it be a good idea to delete that talk page? It has no page associated with it, and it is only used for spam. --169.229.98.90 19:34, 20 October 2005 (PDT)

It is not possible to delete a page, but I can protect it, or keep it from being edited. Thanks! Admin
Hmm, I'm pretty sure that admins are able to delete pages... Would this link work? I'm pretty sure that it would work, unless someone removed the page deletion function. --169.229.98.90 01:33, 22 October 2005 (PDT)
Oh, and I apologize for not noticing that huge chunk of spam on this page, so I didn't revert far enough. --169.229.98.90 01:34, 22 October 2005 (PDT)
It has now been deleted (only 2 years late!!) --Bobnotts talk 07:52, 24 October 2007 (PDT)


2007

Lilypond and Mediawiki

Hello,

I am trying to use Lilypond on my wiki. Simple examples work, but complex ones do not.

I have an error "Cannot find file for FontConfig cache". See http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/index.php/User:Yann/test and http://www.wikilivres.info/wiki/index.php/Belle_qui_tiens_ma_vie

Thanks, Yann 16:11, 3 November 2007 (PDT)


Organisation of hymns, hymn tunes and hymn settings on CPDL

Overview

At present, there is no uniform standard for the organisation of hymns, hymn tunes and hymn settings on CPDL. Because more contributors are submitting hymns and hymn tunes recently, I believe it is necessary to formalise some standards before things get out of hand (having said that, there are already 439 pages categorised as "Hymns" on CPDL so perhaps I spoke too soon...)

I propose that the community discuss how hymns should be organised under the headings below then when a consensus has been reached, draft and formalise a standard.

I use the following terminology:

  • Hymn tune - melody (nothing else)
  • Hymn setting - melody and harmony (nothing else)
  • Hymn - melody, harmony and words
  • Hymn-Anthem - an extension of a hymn, usually including elaborate accompaniment, harmonies that vary verse to verse, descants, etc. (eg. Vaughan Williams' adaptation of "Old Hundreth - All people that on earth do dwell")
  • Hymn meter the metrical indexing of hymns

--Bobnotts talk 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)

I added "(nothing else)" at the end of Hymn setting above. -- Chucktalk Giffen 10:52, 16 November 2007 (PST)

Hymn tunes

There is a category for hymn tunes here. Some tunes have their own pages such as Old hundredth. I favour this organisation but instead of naming the tune page just the tune name, I would have the following format: "Tune_name_(Composer/Source)" for clarity (there is a tune called Welsh, I believe, which could get confusing with other pages). I don't think that there should be any editions on tune pages but I like the Lilypond extract on Old hundredth and I also think that the "Click for settings at CPDL" link is very useful. --Bobnotts talk 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)

I concur ... "Tune name (Composer/Source)" is fine. I don't favor adding the Meter to the page name for Hymn tunes, because the Meter is spelled out and categorized" on the page itself. In cases where there are multiple hymn tunes with the same name, disambiguation is always available.
-- Chucktalk Giffen 11:07, 16 November 2007 (PST)

Hymn settings

How should these pages be named? I can see several possibilities:

  • "Tune_name_meter_(Composer/Harmoniser)"
  • "Tune_name_(Composer/Harmoniser)"
  • "Tune_name_meter"

In any case, I think we should have all harmonisations of a hymn on the same page. --Bobnotts talk 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)

Hymns

Naming: again, there are many possibilities:

  • "Title_of_text_(Tune_name)"
  • "Title_of_text_(Composer/Harmoniser)
  • others...

Set out as a standard score page but will also have under "General Information":

  • Lyricist/Hymnist
  • Tune name
  • Meter

--Bobnotts talk 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)

Because the Tune name, Lyricist/Hymnist, and Meter will be spelled out and categorizedon the page, I favor only the second form for listed above for titling hymn pages (after all they are choral works with text and should be treated the same fashion as other choral works), namely:
  • "Title_or_text" (Composer/Harmonizer)
-- Chucktalk Giffen 11:00, 16 November 2007 (PST)

Meters

This seems to be under control (see Category:Hymn meters) but which pages should be categorised with meters? I advocate just hymn tune pages. --Bobnotts talk 09:38, 16 November 2007 (PST)