Talk:Petite camusette (Josquin des Prez)

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The parts for 'Petite camusette' are given as: Superius, Quinta Pars, Contratenor, Tenor, Sexta Pars, Bassus (from highest to lowest voices) in my edition (original pitch), and in performance the top two parts, which have the same ambitus (range), have always been assigned to two sopranos, neither part ever being taken by altos. Therefore I'm changing the voicing to SSTTBB. Incidentally, the Contratenor is in strict unison canon with the Tenor part, offset by 1 measure. ChuckGiffen 11:17 CST, 12 January 2006

SATB or STTB for old music...

general question... If you contribute a 4voiced piece from the XVI C which has Superius, Contratenor, Tenor and Bassus.. should it be SATB or STTB ?? IN the last case I have to modify / adapt / my contributions....--Wursten 12:13, 12 January 2006 (PST)

In general, it seems to me to depend upon the contemporary view of ranges for Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass. If a Contratenor part is in the Alto range, I call it Alto, if in the Tenor range, I call it Tenor. In the case of Petite camusette, the top two parts have exactly the same range (contemporary Soprano), the Contratenor and Tenor the same range (contemporary Tenor), and the bottom two parts the same range (Bass). It's a thorny issue for purists, and my view is that parts in old scores should be labelled as originally given, possibly with a modern equivalent given in parenthesis), but the voicing should be in modern terms. Now if only the East and West Pondelians could agree on which English to use (one sees a lot of Treble and Mean, too). ChuckGiffen 15:27 CST, 12 January 2006

English translation notes:

1. Based on performance work with Shira Kammen, the older French "camusette" is translated as "minx." 2. Similarly, "bois joli" was interpreted as the greenwood.

TaraNelson 15:33, 26 July 2011 (CDT)TaraNelson