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duplicate CPDL numbers

Hi Claude,

CPDL No 23695 Magnificat I (Anonymous) and CPDL No 38837 Magnificat (Tr91) (Anonymous) appear at first glance to be identical, except for the introductory page. If one is deleted, is there a reason for picking one edition number over the other? All the best, Richard Mix (talk) 09:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Richard. Do you mean it is the same work? Better merge two editions on the same page, then. Even better ask the editor himself. Claude (talk) 11:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


Dorico source files

Hi,

I uploaded a new edition of Full fathom five (Charles Wood), but my source file is in Steinberg Dorico format (.dorico), which doesn't appear to be supported yet... any chance of allowing this format. I also tried .xml for a Music XML file which also doesn't seem to be allowed.

Also, when adding the new edition I originally changed the capitalisation of the title, which created a new page. I think I've sorted it by adding again with the correct capitalisation, and editing the wrong one to be a REDIRECT to the correct one... but you might like to check it's all OK now - it certainly looks OK from the front end! Tristanpye (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Tristan, thanks for your contributions to CPDL. I completed the redirect, deleting the old page with three capital letters. Didn't know about Dorico format. But for the XML one, please just "zip" it (or export it directly) into MXL format and it will be accepted (and encouraged) by CPDL. Claude (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Dorico is Steinberg's new score editor (written by the team that wrote Sibelius until Avid got rid of them) - it was only released a few weeks ago.
Can I easily add file formats to the existing entry (how?), or do I need to upload a file separately and then edit the page source manually? Tristanpye (talk) 17:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Speaking of a MXL (zipped XML) file, just click in the left panel, on "import a file" (under "Tools"). Then, on the work page, edit the 'Music files section', add, on the right of your PDF: [[Media:Charles_Wood_-_Full_Fathom_Five.mxl|{{XML}}]]. Thanks, Claude (talk) 17:41, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Michael Haydn Te Deum

Hi, Michael Haydn wrote several works with this title. I have changed the title of my edition of MH28 to include the MH28 number - but it doesn't show through in the main title. Can you fix? Many thanks Malcolm Crowe (talk) 21:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Done. Claude (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Legend (again)

Hi Claude, I have been working on Template:Legend again. See what you think about these two suggestions. I worked on the one dated 2017-02-04, so you would have room for expansion, which seems to happen often. Feel free to use or discard as you see fit. Cheers — Barry Johnston (talk) 04:03, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Barry, well done! I like the table much and it fits the page width, right to the sponsors' column even on my iPad. You should perhaps delete the line between icons and software names. About increasing the number of icons, I don't see more icons needed for internal files. Regarding external ones, I'll add an "external NWCs" today but other occurrences are too few to deserve another icon in the legend. You should perhaps open a thread in the forums to get more advices, from admins and users. Friendly, Claude (talk) 08:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Claude, I will start the thread in forums. Thanks. But now I notice there's an extra "File" icon after every icon on every work page. — Barry Johnston (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
As I've just added Icon_zip_globe.gif and, some time ago, Personal_Composer_icon.png and Personal_Composer_globe.png (Personal Composer), I wonder if, with Icon_pdf.gif above and Icon_pdf_globe.gif below, etc., we'll have two rows in almost every column, and a narrower table. ;-) Claude (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
I will work on that. I wonder if it would be better if someone (maybe me) could write a more complex script for Template:Legend, so that the legend on a work page would include only those icons which appear on that page. I will give it a try, but I will need some help. — Barry Johnston (talk) 16:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

SiteNotice

Hi Claude, could you please update the French translations in MediaWiki:Contribnotice/fr and MediaWiki:Visitornotice/fr to reflect the changes in their English counterparts? Thanks! —Carlos (talk) 03:50, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Carlos. I saw these changes yesterday and didn't change anything because all the text is correct, congrats. But 1. the notice never appears in French, it's always in English, like the upper part of the left panel, not the lower part (Tools) that is displayed in French! 2. Even when I'm connected, it's the visitor's notice that is shown. See that screen capture. Claude (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
That's strange! Maybe Max can shed some light on what is happening here. But I insist that the messages above require update, please compare them carefully with the English ones: MediaWiki:Contribnotice and MediaWiki:Visitornotice. —Carlos (talk) 19:32, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Palestrina - Dei mater alma

Bonjour Claude, j'étais en train d'ajouter de nouveaux fichiers de la part d'André lorsque je me suis rendu compte que j'avais superscrit ce fichier de JIPP (qui date du 12/04/2016). Apparément, il n'a pas rempli le document AddWorks, et la pièce n'apparaît donc pas sur la page de Palestrina - c'est pour cela que je n'y avais pas fait attention. Pourrais-tu donner un coup de main stp? Cordialement Jkelecom (talk) 12:43, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Bonjour, Joachim, j'ai rétabli la version précédente du fichier. Si tu veux de nouveau importer ton fichier, change son nom. Cordialement, Claude (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Merci, Claude! Jkelecom (talk) 15:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Newbie, MuseScore

Hi Claude, thanks for your welcome. I have just put up Antonio Caldara's Miserere mei (it seems to be alright, but ....), Horror of horrors, CPDL would not accept .mscz files from MuseScore - changed from Noteworthy some time ago and I miss its simplicity of notation entry. Désolé, mais puisque la page était en anglais ... Merci pour votre accueil Tiny Trouble (talk) 10:41, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Tony (or Andrew?), don't worry about .mscz files: they'll soon be accepted, so you may choose the central button that allows to upload mscz files anyway (or think that .mxl files can be opened by users of MuseScore and quite all other music edition softwares).
I'm about to create your editor's page. Should it be entitled Andrew Thoday or Tony Tebby? Claude (talk) 13:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
It would probably be better as Andrew Thoday (= and rue the day... - et regretter le jour...). I am known as Tony Tebby in another domain, but I am Anthony Tebby in my état civil so while I am almost always known as T.T. I am officially A.T. Tiny Trouble (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Merci pour les mods "@" et "MusicXML" (j'arriverai un de ces jours) et pour l'addition du renvoi vers Psaume 8. Sur la page de Psaume 8, j'ai creusé la tête pour trouver comment effacer la version Caldara de la liste automatique (TextAutoList ne se trouve pas parmi les templates), mais en revenant vers la page elle avait disparue ! Tiny Trouble (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome, Tony. When one adds a manual work-line on a composer's page, it disappears from the automatic list below. Claude (talk) 17:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Laudate Dominum

Erreur dans le titre de cette oeuvre. Je n'arrive pas à la corriger. Mille pardons! Jonathang (talk) 12:52, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

No problem, Jonathan. It's done: http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Laudate_Dominum_omnes_gentes_(Francisco_Valls) Claude (talk) 13:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Work Sorter

Hi Claude.Can you explain for me what this does? Jamesgibb (talk) 18:03, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's easy: the pages that have that template will appear in the lists (like Category:Sheet music) according to the 'intelligent' sorting order: without grouping by definite or indefinite article (when at the beginning), that is, according to Wiki international rules. 'House', 'A house' and 'The house' are thus gathered. WorkSorter is for the works pages, NameSorter for the composers ones. Claude (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Pages not using SortWorks

Hi Claude, I appreciate the concern you wrote on the Talk:Orlando di Lasso about the pages not using SortWorks. You wrote:

" I hate, each morning, having to check if someone has added a new work and has forgotten to add it to the composer manual-list of works. List of problematic pages is here."

Orlando di Lasso is off your list (at least until someone protests). Of the ones still on your list, the following are automated by dpl -- I can take care of these:

  • Daniel Belknap
  • Daniel Read
  • Jacob French
  • Oliver Holden
  • Samuel Babcock
  • Samuel Holyoke
  • Stephen Jenks
  • Timothy Swan
  • William Billings

I wish I could take more off your list, I will do a few as I have time. I appreciate all you do. Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 20:37, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

My list shows only those pages that have no {{SortWorks}} at all. When it is used for a part of the works, like {{SortWorks|Sacred}}, like di Lasso's one, it is not shown in the list. But the manual part of the page can be incomplete. To be more precise, Max has implemented a template, {{Recent_additions}}, that EVER adds, on top of the composer page, the work-page title where a new EDITION has been added. But it is not added in due place and, above all, it creates superfluous duplicated line(s) when SortWorks is used and each time it is the second (or more) edition. And 'somebody' has to check the string "Recent_additions" from time to time, to delete the duplicates. Sincerely, I also do appreciate all what you do. Claude (talk) 06:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

LinkText and larger works

Hi Claude,

The LinkText template at Three Motets, Op. 69 (Felix Mendelssohn) is causing TextAutoList to add the Larger work page to text pages that already include Op. 69 No. 1, Op. 69 No. 2 and Op. 69 No. 3. Do you have a better solution than mine? Richard Mix (talk) 15:14, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

No, I reverted my edit. Claude (talk) 15:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Johann Michael Haydn: Tribulationes cordis mei MH453

Hi, I am sorry - Pablo Rosario had already added this work. Can the pages be merged? Best wishes Malcolm Crowe (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem, Malcolm, I've merged your edition on the old page, but renamed it as you did, with MH number. Feel free to add something I'd forgotten. Claude (talk) 18:57, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

MuseScore and link

Hi, and thanks for the welcome.

I finally got around to uploading my first score - long time user who has been wanting to give sth back and all that, you know. Of course I made lots of mistakes, and have some questions, such as:

1. I did not follow the guidelines for file naming, but couldn't find a way to rename the files.

2. I uploaded a MuseScore version of the file as well, and although MuseScore is now in the list of formats in the dropdown on the file upload page, it came out as a text link with the full file name. I changed that to read MuseScore instead - is that ok? Or should I just wait for an admin to do whatever needs to be done?

3. Should I include an xml file as well? (I guess I should, eh? Silly question - disregard) Eyolf (talk) 19:33, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Eyolf. A warmful welcome to CPDL. Thanks for your contributions. My answers below:
1. Files are stored on our servers according to their names, so you can update their content very often and easily replace an obsolete version by an updated one, keeping it *the same name*. Consider that the name itself is not so important.
2. MuseScore files aren't yet in the list but will enter it soon. I just added the corresponding icon: MuScor.png.
3. Yes, please add an MXL (compressed XML) file for each edition, just because many more users can open them than a source file from any of each music notation software.
Kind Regards, 19:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC)Claude (talk)

Work name snafu

I just uploaded a metrical Magnificat (#48679) and it came into conflict with a previously submitted Magnificat (#29649). I didn't think to have a descriptor after the title when I filled in the Add Work form. So naturally the new Mag picks up the files from the earlier one. An attempt to change the info of the earlier on back, changes the new one to be the same thing. I ran into this last year with two settings of Psalm 1, with texts by different authors. Would you be able to amend the title of #48679 to "Magnificat (Webber)"? Thanks! I have a Nunc Dimittis to upload later, and for it I shall make sure I remember to add a descriptor to the title in the Add Work form. Tweedfour (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Thurlow. Thank you for your contributions. I just created that page, where you'll be able to replace all the infos by the ones you received by mail. Feel free to give me another descriptor for that page and/or for the previous one. Claude (talk) 19:37, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Claude. Am I correct in thinking that I need to change the "Magnficat" in the Chris Webber section to read "Magnificat II" and then proceed with entering the Works entry data pasted into the page you linked? I just did trial of that, and in the preview the "Magnificat II" showed in red, as it normally would for a new entry. Tweedfour (talk) 20:54, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't think so. I changed the content of the "Magnificat II" page with all the information from your recently received mail, as the lyricist (Webber) So, the Webber page now automatically includes "Magnificat II" as a work having text from him. Please add the underlay text of the work at the bottom of your work page. Claude (talk) 21:13, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll get to that in the next day or two. I'll also make sure the new Nunc Dimittis includes the "II" when I fill in the New Work form, so as to avoid repeating this adventure. It seems to be a quirk of ChoralWiki -- that a composer page cannot list more than one work with the same title without some designator to separate it from the others.Tweedfour (talk) 21:51, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Corsi da Celano

Hi Claude, thanks for cleaning up my terrible coding. I'm trying to do as much as possible myself but just seem to make things worse. I added this composer yesterday as there was no page and it's still not right... Could you please edit the composer's page to be Giuseppe Corsi da Celano? Also, I've made some corrections and was trying to upload a new file but there wasn't the File link there, I probably missed it out when I copied the original. Cheers, Will. (talk) 06:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Will. Thanks for your contributions to CPDL. I completed the composer's name. If you want to add a third file to your edition (we like when a source file, particularly in MXL format, is given), click on 'Upload a file' under 'Tools', in the left pane. Then you can add a link near the two others, or I'll do that for you. Claude (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Morel

Bonjour Claude,

Je viens de constater qu'il y a un problème entre deux compositeurs français de la renaissance: Clemens Morel et Clément Morel. Les deux sont présents sur ChoralWiki, mais vu leur date de publication et d'activité, il me semble assez évident qu'on les met sur une seule page. Malheureusement, cela m'a échappé comment joindre (merge) deux pages, donc je préfère garder le status-quo plutôt que de créer des dégâts. Cordialement, Jkelecom (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Bien vu, Joachim! Dis-nous seulement lequel des deux tu préfères conserver. Claude (talk) 17:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Bonjour Claude, j'ai vérifié dans le Grove, où on parle de "Clement Morel" (sans accent). Il me semble évident de nommer la page ainsi. Merci d'avance. Jkelecom (talk) 08:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I've created the 'Clement' page as a redirection to 'Clément' and renamed the only work page attributed to 'Clemens'. Is that Ok? Claude (talk) 15:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

How to remove my file?

@Claude_T: You reverted an edit I made to remove a link to a Lilypond .ly file. I removed the link because I uploaded the .ly file by mistake--I do not want my Lilypond source files on CPDL (at least not yet -- the code is certainly not commented/ready for use by people other than me). I cannot determine how to remove the uploaded .ly file. I see references to deleted pages in various Wiki docs, but I cannot discover a process to remove a document uploaded by mistake. All I could think of was to remove the automatic link. This is for In Human Vesture (J. Guy Stalnaker), File:InHumanVesture.ly. If there is a process to delete a document I'd appreciate guidance on what that is. I'm happy to make the necessary edits to the page once the file is removed. Regards. Gstalnaker (talk) 15:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I use to remove files that are 'orphans' (recently uploaded but not linked from any edition). We have more than 1,500 such files on our servers, uploaded but unusable by anyone. For each of your files, you can/may click on the white icon on the right of the file link icon. It will open the file's page, where you can easily remove it (if you are the uploader). Claude (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, sir! Understand the method. I didn't notice that the link shown when my cursor is over the File Details icon includes "File:" in the URL making it, well, different and thus to a different wiki page. Thanks for removing the .ly file.

Arranger page and editor page

Claude - you reverted an edit I made to add myself as arranger to the version of this work I uploaded to CPDL. I did that so that the work would show in the list of compositions that are on my CPDL page. I thought the Hassler work would appear in the list of compositions the same way that the Charpentier work appears - title (composer). I compared the two listings and saw that the difference is that the Charpentier has me as both arranger and editor while the Hassler work did not. So, I added myself as arranger tp the Hassler work. The work then appeared in the list of works on my CPDL page. Fifteen minutes later you reverted that edit. When you remove arranger, the work no longer appears in the list on my CPDL page. I take this visibility to be a function of how CPDL wiki constructs the page. I write to you to ask if I'll break anything if I add a section on my CPDL page for works that I've edited, like the Charpentier and Hassler (I'm thinking of doing some more of this editing for the Hassler works that may not yet be on CPDL)? Regards! User:J. Guy Stalnaker (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Your arrangements are on your composer page: J. Guy Stalnaker, the works you edited (being your compositions or from other composers) are on your user page: User:J. Guy Stalnaker
Did you arranged Hassler as you arranged Charpentier? For the last one you mentioned it in edition notes, not for Hassler. That's why I removed the 'Arranger' template. Claude (talk) 05:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you -- still learning.

New category: Música colonial scores

Claude

Would you be kind enough to create a new category entitled "Música Colonial scores" so that I can generate a list of them? If you want to call the category something slightly different that is OK.

Many thanks

Jonathan Jonathang (talk) 20:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Jonathan. Thanks for your suggestion. Done. See http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Category:M%C3%BAsica_colonial_Archive
Claude (talk) 05:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Now replaced by Category:Música colonial scores Claude (talk) 05:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

DEAFAULTSORT

Hi Claude. You seem to have replaced the {{NameSorter}} template with something like {{Surname, FirstName(s)}}, but that doesn't work, because the {{ ... }} are not supposed to be there when putting an explicit sortkey. See Template:NameSorter. Note that the template actually takes the last word in the full name and puts it first, followed by the rest of the words in the full name. Anyway, I've fixed the three instances you put {{ ... }} around the sort key ... for they had the effect of pushing the entry in the Composers category to "[". -- Chucktalk Giffen 00:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Chuck. I'm sorry. Thanks for spotting and correcting the three occurrences. Claude (talk) 06:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
No problem, Claude ... just glad I saw it and had an idea as to what had happened!! -- Chucktalk Giffen 20:05, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Precipitate tinkering

Not for the first time ever, indeed for the second time tonight, I have had to jettison edits on which I have spent some minutes because you have already implemented stupid amendments whilst I am in the act of posting; which is then blocked. When I have spent a day or more preparing an edition for publication, there is nothing more insulting than having some prat impede my uploading by the ridiculous activity of removing spaces in my text before I have finished posting. Desist: if I or other posters are clearly online, extend us the common courtesy of being allowed to post uninterrupted.Cjshawcj (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm really sorry. I'll wait as needed. Claude (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

What a bloody rude person, Claude. I think people who are as vulgar as that should be banned from the site. Certainly, an apology is due. Why are some musicians so up themselves, I wonder? Jamesgibb (talk) 15:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, James. I do appreciate. As I don't understand some words above, I keep cool ;-) Claude (talk) 16:48, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
I was so annoyed by the offensiveness that I've contacted Chuck, suggesting that an immediate apology be demanded. Otherwise if not forthcoming, I think Christopher Shaw should be be banned forthwith. I will happily help to delete his contributions!

Jamesgibb (talk) 17:15, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Claude & James. I've sent a message to the offending party. Also, I've posted a News Item about using Template:InUse, in hopes of clearing up the situation when one person is making a series of edits and does not wish them to be interrupted by another user making an edit. Let's see what happens. Thanks to both of you! -- Chucktalk Giffen 20:05, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Pentecost X and IX

Hi Claude. I reverted your edit to ChoralWiki:Seasonal music because since Advent of 1969 (when the church calendar was changed to its present form with Ordinary Time replacing the former seasons after Epiphany and after Eastertide), the order of Pentecost X and IX were switched, with Ordinary Sunday 15 taking its Mass Propers from Pentecost X and Ordinary Sunday 16 from Pentecost IX, respectively. See the table at Ordinary Time. -- Chucktalk Giffen 16:53, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Chuck. Claude (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Barnby hymns

That was a work of supererogation, Claude. It was, of course, on my to-do list (for sometime in 2020!). Thanks very much. Jamesgibb (talk) 16:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, James. Let's keep up the good work ;-) Claude (talk) 17:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Vaughan Williams

Claude, I notice that Paolo Pandolfo has uploaded another of his scanned scores, this time of something by Vaughan Williams, Love's last gift. The copyright is assigned to CPDL but, as VW didn't die until 1958, it is likely still to be copyright in the EU, though perhaps not in the US. Although there is a copyright warning on the composer page, I feel there should be one one on the works page too, but I dont know how to do this. Any thoughts?
Jamesgibb (talk) 15:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I searched just a bit and didn't find a convenient template. Better ask Max. Claude (talk) 16:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Actually, shortly after my first message, Chuck added a copyright warning to just that page, so I now know how to do it. It's {{CopyrightWarning}}.
Jamesgibb (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, cool ;-) Claude (talk) 18:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your welcome and your changes. I hope my contributions are interesting for you and our choral community. (I don’t know if I must write this here or in my own talk page.) JoseGarcia (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2019 (UTC)JoseGarcia

You're welcome José. Thanks for your contributions to our community. If you have a question regarding all the community, feel free to use our forums (A specific identification is required at first time). Claude (talk) 16:20, 25 March 2019 (UTC)