Category talk:Music publications

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I propose that this page be reorganized, into about multiple subcategories. I'd reserve this category "Music Publications" for books about choral music, and music dictionaries.

Among the new categories I suggest are "Choral collections", page cataloguing collections of scores books and collections. I also propose as a new category, "Music Education Publications" for pedagogical materials. It might be worth considering another page, too: "Music Publishers" a listing of publishers of choral music, which might provide information about when a particular publisher was established, and what happened to it.

On further reflection, I believe I'd define a new category could be created for books about choral music, and music dictionaries, and use the Music Publications page (which needs to be added to the navigation contents bar) as a Meta page, listing all of the subcategories. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mjolnir (talkcontribs) on 03:14, 1 April 2006.

I quite agree with the suggestions above, and also have to add that the sorting order in this category needs to be redefined: sometimes publications are sorted by title and other times by composer name. Since there are publications that were a compilation of works by many composers, I suggest that only title be used as sorting key. -- CarlosTalk 10:24, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
The page should have both a unified listing for publications and also hosting different parallel ways to subcategorize works, such as by era (e.g. Renaissance choral collections). -- Vaarky 20:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Organization of Category:Music Publications page

Are there guidelines for how to list publications on this page? I notice that most of them are listed by title. If that's the way most users want it, that's all right, but I think a listing by author or editor would be more helpful. Could the list include publication date(s)? As it is, it covers a very broad range of genre and era.
As my library increases, I too have some suggestions for subcategories. These could also be categories of their own, especially if there is no one willing to do the task of reforming the general bibliography.

  • Music books of early America, 1640-1820
  • Shape note music books, 19th Century to present
  • Hymns and sacred poetry by original authors (Dwight, Cowper, Newton, Watts, Whitefield, the Wesleys, etc.; to exclude hymnbooks, covered better elsewhere)
  • Scholarly treatises and monographs on choral music

-- Barry Johnston, Bcjohnston523 (talk) 04:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

  • Posted by: Vaarky 05:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)‎
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Hi, Barry--thanks for raising this. I think it's a good idea to think about subcategories along the lines you suggest, and it would be good to expand the page further as a resource.

Regarding your suggested categories, I am no expert or authority, but think making them more concise and putting the more significant descriptors early in the title is a better approach, e.g.:

  • American music books through YYYY (why 1820, out of curiosity?)
  • Shape note music books (omit "19th Century to present" from the category?)
  • Hymns and sacred poetry by original authors
  • Scholarly treatises and monographs on choral music

I hope other users will have additional opinions to contribute.

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I have been thinking about listing this page by author, so I composed a test page User:Bcjohnston523/Test Music literature just to see what it would look like without changing anyone's page titles. Notice this would require formulation of a ShortName, because some of the titles are quite long.
1. There is a great deal of variation in how book titles should be presented. Capitalization: Every word, First word and proper nouns, or as in original language? Use of abbreviations and acronyms (not recommended). Position of article adjectives: a, the, der, il, le, etc. A few used æ instead of ae, and œ for oe.
2. There is also variation in page titles. Most frequent: Title of publication (Author or Editor or Compiler). Title alone is also sometimes used. Variation as to whether complete title should appear here, or short title. The complete title should be on the publication’s page, certainly; but we would need a short title for the Category page. I feel entries on the Category Page should be Author Year - Short Title; Page names then would be Short Title – Author Year. The first few entries under “B” would be:
Entry on Category Page Page Name
Banchieri 1607 - Pazzia Senile = Pazzia Senile (Banchieri 1607)
Banchieri 1608 - Festino Giovedì Grasso = Festino Giovedì Grasso (Banchieri 1608)
Bartlett 2001 - Madrigals Partsongs = Madrigals Partsongs (Bartlett 2001)
Bassano 1598 - Motetti Concerti Ecclesiastici = Motetti Concerti Ecclesiastici (Bassano 1598)
Bassano 1599 - Concerti Ecclesiastici Secondo = Concerti Ecclesiastici Secondo (Bassano 1599)
Bateson 1598 - First Set Madrigals = First Set Madrigals (Bateson 1598)
Bateson 1618 - Second Set Madrigals = Second Set Madrigals (Bateson 1618)
Becker 1602 - Becker Psalter = Becker Psalter (Becker 1602)
Belknap 1797 - Harmonist's Companion = Harmonist's Companion (Belknap 1797)
Betscher 1800c - Gesellschafts Lieder Wieder = Gesellschafts Lieder Wieder (Betscher 1800c)
3. The index on the Category page is thus poorly alphabetized: look at M, for example, under which: The First Booke of Songes or Ayres (Robert Jones) (There isn’t an ‘M’ in it!) The First Set of Madrigals (Robert Jones) (Should be under ‘F’) Scherzi musicali (Claudio Monteverdi) (Should be under ‘S’)
4. The individual pages are also varied. Some pages don’t have a date of publication, or even an estimated date. There is also some duplication among certain pages: Editions of Arcadelt's libro primo de' madrigali a 4 voci and Il primo libro de' madrigali a 4 voci (Arcadelt 1539). Scherzi musicali (Claudio Monteverdi) and Scherzi musicali cioè arie et madrigali (Claudio Monteverdi)
5. There are also some misspellings, e.g., secundo for secondo in Italian titles.
6. I think there needs to be an add-pub form, like the add-works form, with certain requirements, such as author (or editor or compiler), complete title, short title (2-3 words), date of publication (or range of dates), and subcategory. These items would then be used to create the page title and the entry on the category page, like the add-works form does.
7. There should be a way to cite publications on works or composer pages, perhaps using the Short Title - Author Year format I'm proposing for publication page titles?