User talk:Choralia

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Edit summaries

Hi there (Max?) I've just been looking at your recent edits. Thank you for contributing to CPDL! Just one thing: it helps people who watch the Recent changes (like me!) if users leave edit summaries. This is simply a short note to explain what you've done in the edit. You should type this in the box above "Save page" before clicking on the button. Thanks! --Bobnotts talk 06:26, 6 September 2007 (PDT)

Since posting the above message, I've just noticed that the scores that you have contributed to CPDL have not been in your name. It is a requirement of all submissions that the real name of the editor is mentioned for error reporting and other reasons. I have therefore moved you user page to User:Massimo Capozza and added some titles and the category for CPDL contributors. I have also corrected the name under "Editor" on your edition entries to read "Massimo Capozza". I hope that this all meets with your approval. If you have any problems or questions, feel free to leave a message on my talk page. Regards --Bobnotts talk 06:39, 6 September 2007 (PDT)

Delete of Don Marco Frisina

Hi Max. I have just changed the delete template that you placed on Don Marco Frisina because I believe that there needs to be some discussion of this before the page is either deleted or retained. Please discuss this on the talk page - Talk:Don Marco Frisina. Regards --Bobnotts talk 21:06, 3 October 2007 (PDT)

Your version of phpBB

Hi Max,

I agree that probably some more testing should be done with the phpBB analogue of the CPDL BB. Aside from Raf Ornes, I probably have the most experience with adminstration at the CPDL BB, and if you would like for me to become an Admin there, I'll be happy to do what I can. -- Chucktalk Giffen 04:49, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

Hi Chuck, I have (hopefully...) set you already as forum admin. Please feel free to optimise the forum according to your experience. --Choralia 20:13, 31 March 2008 (PDT)
Hi again, Max. Thank you. I get to work on it later today and tomorrow. -- Chucktalk Giffen 21:34, 31 March 2008 (PDT)

Copyright infringement

Hi Max. Thanks for pointing this out. I have deleted the page and upload and left a message on the user's talk page. Kind regards --Bobnotts talk 04:14, 4 May 2008 (PDT)

A translation request

Hi Max. I have a favour to ask. Since a lot of the contributions to CPDL are sent through the add works form and many contributors have been submitting the form several times for the same edition, we have a number of duplicate CPDL catalogue numbers being created, a situation which isn't ideal by my reckoning. Some time ago I added the following text to the page to try to get people to not make duplicate submissions:

"PLEASE DO NOT COMPLETE THE "ADD WORKS" FORM MORE THAN ONCE FOR THE SAME EDITION. Once you have submitted the form, a unique CPDL number is generated which becomes obsolete if the form is run a second time for the same edition. Volunteers will receive the form which you submitted and post it on the wiki in due course - please be patient. If you forgot to include some information in the form the first time you submitted it, please email addscore(at) with the details rather than submitting the form again. Thank you."

However, some contributors have continued to do so, I suspect mostly because of the language barrier. I wonder if you would mind translating this text into Italian (and any other languages that you are able to translate to) and I will add this translation to the page as well. I'm posting a similar message on Joachim and Claude's talk pages so we should have Italian, Dutch and French covered. Any additional languages would be a bonus. I hope that you're able to help - thanks! --Bobnotts talk 17:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Request for update to score submission guide

Hi Max. I have made some alterations to the score submission guide that you kindly translated into Italian. Would you be so good as to make the necessary changes to your translation to accommodate my additions? Thanks in advance. --Bobnotts talk 12:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Italian Main Page

Hi Max! Thanks for the new Italian Main Page! If you wish to translate (mostly) all other texts in it to Italian, please do it in the following pages too:

Thanks! —Carlos Email.gif 16:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Carlos, thank you very much for the tips. I've translated already all the pages that you proposed. I plan to draft a "guide to translate ChoralWiki pages", so as to facilitate translation into other languages. I'll list the pages you suggested, further to the Main Page, so that whoever wants to contribute with page translations may have some kind of step-by-step procedure, starting from the most frequently used pages. Any further page to suggest, or other hints? Max a.k.a. Choralia 22:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
A guide will be very usefull, Max! The only hint I can think of by now is that users always start by creating pages filled with the English basic structures and then translate them, just as you have done. Do you think it would be better if the Main Page itself also used the numbered texts system? —Carlos Email.gif 01:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the numbered texts system helps the translation a lot, as you have the text sections clearly separated from the page structure and formatting instructions. Obviously, we cannot convert all existing pages to the numbered texts system, but certainly the Main Page deserves such a treatment. We may possibly adopt a convention: the first time a page (not yet made with numbered text) is translated to another language, it should be also converted to the numbered texts system. So the guide should contain two sections: a) how to convert the source page to the numbered texts system if not converted yet; b) how to translate the numbered texts system page to another language. What do you think? Max a.k.a. Choralia 05:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try to convert the Main Page to the numbered texts system, too. I only fear that, because of its more dynamic nature, if someday a new layout is decided for this page, its translations may become botched for a while with this system.
With regard to your suggestions, in my view the task in section a) is something that should be done exclusively by an admin, so I'd rewrite it to something like: "ask an admin to convert the source page to the numbered texts system if not converted yet". —Carlos Email.gif 15:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
You're right Carlos: leave the Main Page as it is, I'll provide in the guide some hints to identify the text to be translated with respect to the formatting text. And I'll include the conversion to the numbered texts system as an option to be discussed with an admin on a case-by-case basis, depending on the type of page, i.e., more or less dynamic. Choralia 18:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Max, converting the Main Page to the parameterized system wasn't so difficult as I thought. We'll need to be more carefull now when updating the page content, but on the other hand new translations will be much more straightforward. I hope you weren't already writing the translation hints you talked about above. —Carlos Email.gif 16:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Carlos, I noted you were working on the parametrization of the Main Page, and actually I've already translated the numbered texts that I hadn't translated before. Great work! No problem with the translation hints, everything is still in my brain only! Choralia 17:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Francesco Sponga-Usper‎‎

Hi Max! Sponga-Usper looks like a composite surname, as Saint-Saens, which is not the case here. I think we should stick to one of the forms Francesco Sponga or Francesco Usper. The latter one is also adopted in the New Grove Dictionary (besides Wikipedia), that's why I chose it. Regards —Carlos Email.gif 13:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Carlos, I totally agree with you about using Francesco Usper as reference page, with redirection from Francesco Sponga. It's the same on Wikipedia, as I mentioned in my email to the contributor, that I cc-ed to you. Max a.k.a. --Choralia 13:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok! I just asked because the works pages were created with the composite form. I'll move them to the proper title then. Grazie. —Carlos Email.gif 14:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Testing a new extension and new templates

Title: Template:GetWorkTitle

Composer: Template:GetWorkComposer

Buon giorno, Massimo, When I click to modify that page, I modify the template that generated it. So, I'm waiting to add its text. Claude 07:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Bonjour Claude, I deleted the GetWorkTitle and GetWorkComposer templates as the MakeCPDLedition and CPDLedition templates incorporate the same features, extended to all work fields and not only to title and composer. If you want to replace any database fields with others, you may run the MakeCPDLedition template using the subst: prefix, and then edit the resulting page (i.e., you may replace with new values any items retrieved from the database using the #getdata extension). These templates are still experimental, and we are discussing at the administrators forums about the best way to use them. The ideal situation, in my opinion, would be that all key items are associated to labels, that are then formatted into a page layout by a template. So we clearly separate information from mere formatting. Maybe we need to add some fields, such as the text area, the translations, etc. . Choralia 08:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Not sure I understand all what you say ;-) Nevertheless, have you clicked to modify the work page (Oculi Mei)? What do you see? I see only: MakeCPDLedition|20905. So, where do I write the text of the work? Claude 13:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I meant that, at the current development status of these templates, the capability to add texts is not yet present. Further work on the templates is required (e.g., to add new fields). Anyway, I've just replaced the template with the usual format for a new work page, so you can add any text as normal. I'll use some other page to further experiment new templates and extensions. Choralia 14:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, Max, thanks. Done. Claude 16:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Replacing files with new versions

Hi Max. All the best for the new year, first of all, for you and yours. A friend of mine (login name Clovis) has been trying to replace his existing editions with updated versions, but consistently gets an error message. Could it have to do with the fact that his user name / user page hasn't been "created yet"? Thanks for checking. joachim 04:09, 7 January 2012 (CST)

Gloria a 16

Hi Max, last year you added an edition by Sabine Cassola to Gloria a 16 (Andrea Gabrieli), but it seems to be a duplicate of CPDL #23696. Would you mind if CPDL #24508 be removed? Regards, —Carlos Email.gif 19:16, 29 July 2012 (CDT)

Max, I noticed that there are also two editions by Sabine of Deus misereatur and Maria stabat, but they are slightly different from each other. In the case of the Gloria, however, I compared both pdfs and they look identical. It seems logical to me to keep just one of them, but since you submitted them both, I'll leave for you the choice of removing or not, and which one. Best, —Carlos Email.gif 14:26, 30 July 2012 (CDT)

Croce penitential psalms

Wotcher, I see you have posted all these, without texts. I never had the Latin (c.f. Peter Cook) but these items are paraphrased in sonnet and attributed to Francesco Bembo. I do have the English sonnets (english'd by R.H.) on my web-site, if they are any use (e.g. ). A minor point is that you have given them titles acoording to the Vulgate psalm numbering system. It seems to me (possibly erroneously) that titles usually conform to the common numbering system Cjshawcj (talk) 14:56, 31 August 2012 (CDT)

Help:Score submission guide

Hi Max, I've updated the Help:Score submission guide to remove the outdated file naming convention (which was not being strictly followed, by the way). I also changed the examples to reflect the new templates in use now. When you have some time, could you please bring the Italian version up to date? Click here for the changes. Grazie :) —Carlos (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2012 (CST)

Template for Choralia

Hi Max, linking to Choralia's training aids became a bit simpler now: just add {{Choralia}} to the external links. :) Saluti, —Carlos Email.gif 23:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

New Add work

Hi Max, something really weird happened in this edit, could you please check? I'm not referring to the typo ("}}" instead of "]]"), but more specifically to the removal of the text inside parentheses. The script probably thought it was a bunch of links and removed it all. Do you think it's possible to refine the test so that it won't do anything if it doesn't find pairs of square or curly brackets inside of the parentheses? Thanks, —Carlos Email.gif 00:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Maybe there are too many format variations of work entry lines, therefore attempting to amend them automatically cannot work. There will always be variations that will not be correctly handled. So I think we'd better simplify the automatic part ot the process: a new entry line is added after the Legend template also in the case the same work title exists already, and the user (or an administrator) takes then care of merging the previously existing entry line (including any odd format variations) with the new one. What do you think? Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 08:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure; I like the way how it handles the situation by adding the {{editions|n}} template. Maybe we can leave things are they are and correct these exceptions as they appear. —Carlos Email.gif 16:02, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I've just tried to add a new Schütz work, and the Add new work tab now leads to a blank page, instead of the form. Are you doing some work on it at the moment, Max? If so, I'll wait until it's completed. Jamesgibb (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Same thing happens when I try Add new edition. It doesn't seem to be composer-related, since the same thing happens on the Byrd composer page. Jamesgibb (talk) 17:05, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for notifying me, James. Problem solved. I'm setting up a new mirror today, and I did a mistake when editing a configuration file. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 17:31, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Listing all the works of an opus on each works page

Max, I seem to recall a neat way to do it using {{NoComp...}} but I've forgotten where! I can do it with square brackets, see Good night (Charles Hubert Hastings Parry) but I'd be grateful for instruction!Jamesgibb (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

James, honestly speaking I don't recall anything like that. Maybe Carlos or Chuck may help? Personally, I think that opuses that include multiple works should be handled as collections, i.e., by defining a category associated to the opus, and declaring each work as a member of the category. This creates the correct logical relationships between the opus and the works included in the opus. Then the SortWork function could be used to list the works. The SortWork function is currently set to only work on composer pages, however it can be extended to run on work pages as well. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 19:59, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Filepath or Media?

Hello, I notice you lately changed all the {{filepath: ...}} to [Media: ...] on this works page, but apparently only on this one page. I am somewhat confused, not sure what the difference is between the two. Should I be changing something I do or have done? Perhaps this is related to your recent edits to the AddWork form (because that is what generated the filepath coding). — Barry Johnston (talk) 03:59, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Barry, I selected your recent submission to demonstrate to other admins a new MediaWiki extension that I developed specifically for ChoralWiki. Historically we used the filepath: coding because it allows to show an icon associated to the link, while the Media: coding does not allow to do so (if you place an URL after the filename, the URL of the icon is shown as plain text, rather than the icon itself). However, the filepath: coding treats the link to internal files as if they were external files, and this causes a serious problem: all our File: pages are not associated to the work pages where such files are used! This makes the unused file list totally useless to trace possible score files submitted but not associated to any work pages. The Media: coding associates instead the file to the corresponding work page (see for example File:HosannaJanes1803a.pdf). My extension now allows to use the Media: coding and show the icon rather than the plain text URL, so it may replace all the filepath: instances used so far and, at the same time, make the unused file list usable.
We are currently evaluating if adopting this approach or not (I added a specific topic on the section of the forums that is only visible to the CPDL administrators). If it is adopted, the Addwork form will use it for all new submissions, while all existing work pages will have to be edited in batch to change the filepath: coding to the corresponding Media: coding. This has not been decided yet, so for the moment please do nothing. The Addwork form will still use filepath: until a decision is made. If it will be decided not to adoopt the Media: coding, I'll revert my edits to Hosanna (Walter Janes). Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 08:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm much interested in using the 'Media' coding, to know which files aren't linked, in hoping to restore editions lost after the CPDL crashes. Claude (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Max, thanks for the explanation. This sounds like a good idea. I will leave it alone, wait and see how this works out. — Barry Johnston (talk) 13:56, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Error message when adding works

Max, I'm getting the following message when I try to upload a new edition.

Fatal error: Class 'mysqli' not found in /home/choralwi/public_html/wiki/extensions/ChoralWiki/CreateAddWorkCode.php on line 225

Any thoughts?
Jamesgibb (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi Max, could you please update the Italian translations in MediaWiki:Contribnotice/it and MediaWiki:Visitornotice/it to reflect the changes in their English counterparts? By the way, is the phrase "Please register/log in to edit pages or submit new works" in MediaWiki:Contribnotice really necessary? Only already logged-in users will be able to see it, right? What about changing it to "This is the CPDL Contributor ChoralWiki, visible to (or accessible by) logged-in users only". Saluti, —Carlos (talk) 17:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I've updated the translations, Carlos. Regarding the message "Please register/log in to edit pages or submit new works", I think we adopted it to stay on the safe side in the case, for any reasons (e.g., cache), the contributor notice were also displayed after having logged-out. I think that in the next version of the MediaWiki SW some modifications to the log-in mechanism will be introduced, so I think we should maintain this (maybe redundant) notice still for a while. Max a.k.a. --Choralia (talk) 13:52, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Max! —Carlos (talk) 03:47, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Max, can you please read the conversation I had with Claude on the same topic? He reported two problems that I was unaware of. Regarding #1, maybe the mw:Extension:Polyglot doesn't handle system messages properly. Regarding #2, I was reading mw:Manual:Interface/Sitenotice and noticed the existence of MediaWiki:Anonnotice. Perhaps we should use it instead of MediaWiki:Visitornotice; that way, we can remove {{Switch}} from MediaWiki:Sitenotice and let the system select the proper message to display depending on whether the visitor is authenticated or not. —Carlos (talk) 20:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

mw:Extension:Polyglot will have to be necessarily updated when we upgrade to a new version of the MW software, so there is no reason to invest time on it right now. By the way, I discovered a rather significant bug in MW version 1.28.2, affecting the way batch jobs are executed (e.g., to run tasks that replace text in batch - the job queue was never executed). The bug has been just fixed by the MW developers, so I hope that a MW version 1.28.3 will be soon released and we can adopt it. I will update and test mw:Extension:Polyglot on it.
Regarding MediaWiki:Anonnotice, I think it could be a good solution. I just wonder why it was used in 2008, and then disabled. Do you remember anything about it, Carlos? I tried to trace some related topics on the forums, however I found nothing. I think we can try it again. Max a.k.a. --Choralia (talk) 15:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Originally, multi-language system messages were stored locally, and hundreds of them had to be created during MW installation by a special user named MediaWiki default. When translations were moved to, all these system messages became redundant and could be deleted. [1][2]Carlos (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


Hi Max. Something odd is happening when a date is inserted. See Erschienen ist der herrlich' Tag (Hugo Distler). A superfluous {{{yr}}}=1933 is added. I've noticed it only today on a couple of works pages. I've tried deleting and restoring, but to no avail.
Jamesgibb (talk) 12:05, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi James, the problem is related to the Published template. Barry modified it last night, and apparently his modification has caused a regression. I don't know the reason of the modification, so I prefer not to attempt a fix that may jeopardise Barry's work. I'll inform him. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 12:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
Max, you pointed out to me that this resulted from modifications I was making to the Published template. I have now reverted to the older version. Please let me know if it's not working properly. Thanks! — Barry Johnston (talk) 17:34, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Page size on the Add works page.

Happy new year from Mexico City, Max!

Over the last couple of days, when I've added an A4 pdf, it's changed the page size to Letter, and won't let me change it back, so I have done so once I;ve added the work. Not urgent, but any idea why this might be happening? Jamesgibb (talk) 22:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

And, as we are at it, there is a superfluous blank line added between {{#Legend}} and the first edition's first line, that wasn't added until some time ago. Thanks. Claude (talk) 06:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Happy new year, James! It seems you like very much spending holidays at places recently affected by earthquakes...
As an example of the issue with page size I investigated File:Peccantem me quotidie Palestrina.pdf. If I open the pdf file the size reported by Acrobat Reader is 215.9 x 279.4 mm, so it is actually Letter. Can you indicate a case where the size reported in the pdf is A4 while the size detected by the add work script is Letter?
Claude, can you provide a specific example? I checked Ah dolente partita (Agostino Agresta) that was submitted few minutes ago, and I found no blank lines after {{#Legend:}}. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 12:18, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
One of the most recent one is that one. I remember also that all recent new work pages by Richard Mix had a superfluous blank line I removed. Claude (talk) 14:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Only the manual add work form was affected. It could be fixed by any admin through File:Addwork text It should be OK now. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Wohl dem, der ein tugendsam Weib hat, SWV 20 (Heinrich Schutz)

I added this yesterday, but it doesn't appear on the main page for some reason. Odd, but not urgent.
Jamesgibb (talk) 07:44, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

James, when adding the text you deleted (by mistake, I guess) the sheet music and Baroque music categories at the bottom of the page. This prevented the work being listed. I've fixed the problem. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 08:58, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Max. Not sure how I managed that, though I did make a minor correction to the work name immediately after uploading it, so perhaps I hit a wrong key then.

Jamesgibb (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Bug in #SortWorks

Hi Max, please have a look at the page Arie Fokkens. Among his listed works there is a non-existent Arie/Sandbox. In fact that page does exist, but under the title User:Arie/Sandbox. Maybe you could patch #SortWorks so that it only looks for works pages in the Main namespace. Best, —Carlos (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Carlos, the problem is that the page User:Arie/Sandbox includes the {{Composer|Arie Fokkens}} code, and therefore that page is (incorrectly) regarded by the whole wiki (not only by #SortWorks) as a composition by Arie Fokkens. Therefore, that page is erroneously present in the Category:Arie_Fokkens_compositions page of the wiki. #SortWorks substantially bases its output on the contents of Category:Composer_Name_compositions, so, whatever is wrong in that category is propagated to the output of #SortWorks. Modifying #SortWorks would not fix the original error. I think we should remove the {{Composer|Arie Fokkens}} code from User:Arie/Sandbox, as it seems incorrect and useless. What do you think? Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 12:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, I didn't know that #SortWorks depended on that category. Then the solution is easier than I thought: I'll fix it inside the Composer template. This will avoid future issues with people testing new works pages on their sandboxes. —Carlos (talk) 19:58, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Great. I've clarified the relationship between SortWorks and Category:Composer_Name_compositions in Help:Automating_the_work_list_on_composer_pages. It is worth to remark that any changes applied to the sorting rules of Category:Composer_Name_compositions automatically propagate to the sorting rules applied by SortWorks. Max a.k.a. Choralia (talk) 20:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)